User talk:MisterJames

Hey there!
Welcome to your new Hanna-Barbera Wiki! Some things probably look a little underdone at the moment, so here's some more things I need your help setting up: You have been given administrative rights to handle site content, and you are free to bring some others on board to help. Once you feel the wiki is ready for the public, please let me know.
 * Wiki logo
 * Favicon icon
 * Questions and answers for a more secure CAPTCHA (no apostrophes)

If you have any questions regarding extensions or other maintenance, please post on my talk page so I get the notification. :) Alex95 (talk) 22:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey! I'll try and check out Discord again, in the meantime, I'm here at FB: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009191662531. I know this is a really stupid question, but where do I make a page? I never got this on Wikipedia either. The whole thing seems hidden. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:24, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm still getting a message that I can't create a new page when choosing new section. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * To make a page, you would search for it in the search bar or go to Special:Search. Obviously, there will be no results at the moment, so clicking the containing search option will bring you to the Special:Search, where it will tell you the page does not exist. Clicking the red link will allow you to create the page (you'll immediately enter page creation every time you click a red link). With your admin roles, you should be able to create it. I've specifically granted the sysop role to be able to do everything an autoconfirmed user can, in case you weren't able to do this before for some reason.
 * Users will be able to create a page after having an account for a week and after making ten edits.
 * I'll be checking in frequently these next few days, posting on my talk page is just a way to get a hold of me easier. Alex95 (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Currently, the only people that can edit are those with an account. If you want to, I can restrict editing to just admins, but that may worsen your user base and keep out the users that do want to help. It's not recommended. One of the things I need to set up is a captcha with questions (called QuestyCaptcha). If you can give me questions and answers to input, that would tighten security. Alex95 (talk) 15:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, we'll see what happens for now. Am I allowed to promote people? Not sure how many questions you need, but I'll give some:
 * Question 1: What is the middle name of Scooby? It's Dooby (not originally, but now is considered pretty much in Monsters Unleashed, SDMI, and SCOOB!)
 * Question 2: Who plays Fred Flintstone in the 1994 film? (John Goodman)
 * Question 3: What is the surname given to Hadji in The Real Adventures? (Singh). -- MisterJames (talk) 16:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You are allowed to promote whoever you want, that sort of thing is handled by the wiki content staff, which at point consists of only you.
 * Those are good questions, I only know the first one :P Alex95 (talk) 19:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Letting you know you are welcome to share the wiki within your community. Having more people to help work on it would lighten the workload :) Alex95 (talk) 19:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I actually did ask a question on how they'd like to something. I don't think I'm quite ready, not sure when. Probably when it's got somewhere where I feel comfortable with it. -- MisterJames (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Congrats!
Just dropped by to say congrats on your new wiki! :) Results May Vary (talk) 01:19, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate your assist. - -MisterJames (talk) 01:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem :) Out of curiosity, what are the rules for copying over content? It seems as if we're manually starting new pages (e.g. Scooby-Doo) but copying over others, such as Scooby-Doo (franchise)‎‎? Results May Vary (talk) 01:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, god. I tried transferring the franchise page and downloaded it, but didn't know what to do, so I just copy/pasted it, then altered some stuff. I did want to make templates for "Main" and "Reflist", but hit a snag with it. The movie pages I would attempt to transfer if I wasn't so unsure of what to do (even if they would look a little different afterwards, as I want to distance myself from Scoobypedia and improve upon my work). -- MisterJames (talk) 01:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how much is really worth transferring over, when a lot of it I want redoing anyway. -- MisterJames (talk) 01:54, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you using Visual or Source mode on Scoobypedia? Results May Vary (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Source. -- MisterJames (talk) 01:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah the source can be copied (at least for me), but the categories have to be manually inserted. Results May Vary (talk) 03:38, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Deleted wiki?
What was your deleted wiki on FANDOM, out of curiosity. Why was it deleted? Results May Vary (talk) 21:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * An MCU wiki (which if you ever feel like transferring over if Grifkuba, I wouldn't mind, but won't hold you to it! ;) LOL.) What happened was is that the pages were suddenly gone and I also thought mine had been redirected to another one (what I ended up realising I was clicking onto a link to this other one, which I'm embarrassed to admit, although I'm also not really sure what happened there, it's all a blur). The original link I had been using to the home page had been redirected to go to an invalid page on Community Central. I was in desperate need to get in contact with someone even going to Discord (which only further put me off the chat when they said they couldn't deal with it, it seemed as useless as CC's old, regular chat), and when I finally got in touch with the right person, one who answered, he'd told me it was fixed. I don't know what was fixed about it, because that home link still was going to an invalid page, but I found the site through another link I had (one which if I had done to begin with, the problem may not have been as big, but that still didn't change the fact what had happened with the home link).


 * So, I have the site back now (if it ever went), and had to bookmark what seems the exact same home link again, somehow. If it sounds confusing, because it is. I felt messed around with, and it just got me thinking back to how all those years ago, I wanted to leave Scoobypedia and go to an independent host that would take me. After giving up on that idea, I ended up also dealing with other HB-themed wikis (such as Flintstones and Jonny Quest), some of which I adopted, because FANDOM just seemed the way to go as I had no other option. I was never really into dealing with the Hanna-Barbera Wiki FANDOM hosted (even tho I did a few edits there). I didn't want to fully commit to it because I wasn't sure I wanted one entire HB site to work on (I preferred it to be individual) and I didn't like the guy who ended up in charge, because of an altercation I had with him on what you could describe a rival Jetsons wiki. I left the one he had been able to adopt, while I moved onto another one that someone else created then abandoned. At the time of being on the original Jetsons wiki, I used my own style replaced what was done there (nobody questioned it), then used that same style on the other Jetsons wiki. I thought I was being nice about it that he should go back to that original style, so we didn't match, but he unfortunately took it the wrong way and was rather rude. So, now we come to the present, where I've decided that I would like to cover all of Hanna-Barbera Wiki in a way I can handle. But I don't want to make it seem like I'm not a team player or anything, because I am, I want harmony and collaborations as much as possible, but at the same time, I just believe I can do better here, with people I know I can trust and build something more worthwhile, IMHO. Sorry for this rather long response that just came out, it just seemed better to put it all in context to how I got here. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah quite a story, thank you for telling me. By the way I can back up that MCU wiki of yours, just for safekeeping. Results May Vary (talk) 23:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That's very generous of you, thanks. -- MisterJames (talk) 23:43, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I wanted to check up on whether or not you guys wanted my MCU Wiki here or not? I was also wondering if your back up of my site automatically updates itself? I wanted to appeal again to the idea of hosting my MCU wiki here, because the more mine grows the more I worry that I'm violating their code, since they already have an MCU wiki that Fandom seems perfectly happy with, but I was never too happy to be there. I am a team player, it's not about that, since I'm an admin on Arthur Wiki, and even though I did suggest things, I didn't enforce anything, I've largely just been a follower of what people have gone along with (even though it's not entirely consistent throughout the site, but eh, oh well). But when it came to the MCU wiki there were problematic things going on, I tried to discuss and debate about, but I was not being listened to. Some of it was due to naming characters, who hadn't had their name confirmed yet, either on-screen or even behind the scenes, and they wouldn't address inconsistencies between the Agent Carter TV series and the Agent Carter short film, and for the most part, they were an in-universe wiki, yet were including non-canon video games to a character's infobox. Now, if it is supposed to be an in-universe site, then why make it look like a non-canon video game should be acknowledged in such a way?
 * I think it would be funny if my site were to rival the other MCU Wiki, even though it would have to have a large flock of editors come over for that to happen. But, really, my site has a lot of stuff that the other wiki doesn't have and will never have in some cases, so instead of challenging it, and much rather have my stuff transferred over here so I don't have to worry about competing or breaking any rules, or making people wonder who they should be going to, when virtually all people would be going to the other one anyway. But I truly believe what I'm doing is of merit. Now, I don't have a fancy logo or main page layout (again), so if you're interested or know of anybody else who has any interest, I'd appreciate any assistance, that is of course if you and the others in charge are interested. -- MisterJames (talk) 10:45, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

New user?
Out of curiosity, who is AlexandraCabot? Results May Vary (talk) 17:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * A friend who was also called Muddlemore on Scoobypedia, so it's a theme. We talked on Twitter and still on FB. -- MisterJames (talk) 17:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Logo
I cant help but feel that the logo looks too small. The conventional display is 150x150px. Here's my version if you want to use it: https://i.imgur.com/gG737pb.png Results May Vary (talk) 20:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice and uploaded the new size. Is this something that will adjust in time or do I have to tell Alex for it to formally change? -- MisterJames (talk) 05:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's been changed! Results May Vary (talk) 08:14, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Checklist
Hello. Got a checklist of things that should happen for Hanna-Barbera Wiki.


 * Main page needs to represent what to expect on the wiki. It's already off to a good start.*
 * Favicon.*
 * Trello card system for keeping track of what needs done (it will be grouped with our own list).
 * Templates being replaced with Lua coding: https://www.lua.org/.
 * Help:Contents page or something similar (sidebar currently links to MediaWiki's general help page, when it should be wiki-specific).*
 * Discord notifications, if you have a Discord to send them to.
 * Echo extension, for notifications like your edit being undone, sending thanks, etc.: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo (for example, this system exists on Inkipedia: https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page).
 * Google Rich Cards (those box results that show in Google when you search for something).

None of this is required, except for those marked with (*), and we won't force you to change anything you don't want to. If you have questions, let me know :) Alex95 (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have a few ideas for the main page, but I'm not very good with designing. I made a few "hints", but so far nothing. I guess I could always ask the guy who made the logo for help. He's also signed up. Unfortunately, even though I have informed people of the site, there's only been a few people signed up. I don't think it's a high priority at the moment for any of them, but hopefully that will change. It's still early days. Arthur Wiki was completely carried over with the some of the same people who were eager to contribute. As far as the other stuff goes, I have no idea what they all technically do (except for Discord, which I don't think is necessary atm), but if they make the site better, than I agree. Unless I'm actually supposed to implement this stuff myself, than that will quite likely be impossible for to do. -- MisterJames (talk) 18:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The ones with asterisks are stuff the editors (being you and others) handle, as well as the template coding if you want. Not having a Discord is acceptable. The Echo and Rich Cards aren't necessary, the first just gives you notifications for edit undoing and allows thanking other users (I personally don't use it) and Rich Cards are kind of just a flashy thing. Alex95 (talk) 22:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to get help with the favicon and the main page. -- MisterJames (talk) 00:56, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

A silly song
Not sure if you've heard of a satirical song called Cartoons, which is if Flintstones went to heaven. More info: Wikipedia article. Theres quite a bit of Hanna Barbera references so i thought i'd link :P Results May Vary (talk) 19:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That's the first I've heard of it. It's pretty good. Thanks. -- MisterJames (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, should we make a page of it on this wiki? several of the references are from Hanna Barbera cartoons & the song was notable to have its own Wikipedia article. Scrooge200 was wondering this himself. Results May Vary (talk) 00:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm honestly not sure. I was surprised this even got a Wikipedia page, yet it can't have a page on Marvel Frost Fright, but that's just me. How well is it really perceived by the general public? The same way the Epic Rap Battles are? It's interesting that the guy who did this song doesn't even have this mentioned on his Wikipedia page. At least I didn't see it mentioned. There also seems to be some conflict, because it's supposed to be written in 1989, yet the page says it has references to Beavis & Butthead. -- MisterJames (talk) 08:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point, and I have a feeling that Wikipedia has some false info on this song. I'm actually unsure myself -- I just thought it would be a weird page to have on the wiki. :P Results May Vary (talk) 00:30, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, I got an update on the song: it's a hidden track on Chris Rice's "Past the Edges" album, which released in 1998. Results May Vary (talk) 18:46, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way, am I allowed to keep this subpage? (I saved the page locally in case if it's not allowed). I wanted to preserve my research of the Cartoons song, even if it is not completely related to Hanna-Barbera. Results May Vary (talk) 20:04, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You can keep it. I think that's fair enough for now. -- MisterJames (talk) 20:18, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you find the research interesting? Results May Vary (talk) 20:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm glad you put the research in, I found it more informative than what Wikipedia had. -- MisterJames (talk) 21:50, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay check the page again, I added more to my Cartoons subpage here: User:Results May Vary/Cartoons (Chris Rice song). Results May Vary (talk) 20:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty good page now! I'm more willing to have it up, I'm just thinking about song pages in general and haven't thought of how they should all be presented yet. -- MisterJames (talk) 00:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Would you like to have the honour in making that page official? -- MisterJames (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Greetings!
Hello! My name is tacopill, and I help run grifkuba from various ends. I was wondering if I could request a page be made, that links to our other wikis. Entirely up to you on how you want to organize it.

Here are some examples of how it could look like:
 * https://rarewiki.com/wiki/Rare_Wiki:Affiliates
 * https://starfoxwiki.info/wiki/Lylat_Wiki:Affiliates

Not a requirement from us, just something to help all the wikis connect to each other.

Thank you for your time, Tacopill (talk) 19:08, 13 May 2020 (UTC).
 * Okay. I'll think on that. -- MisterJames (talk) 19:22, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Video games?
Are we allowed to have pages of video games with Hanna-Barbera IPs or with a significant amount of the content bearing Hanna-Barbera related (let's say, Cartoon Network games). Results May Vary (talk) 00:11, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know every game, but if you can play the characters, then I don't see why not. -- MisterJames (talk) 08:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about like Flintstones or Scooby Doo ones as well. I assume those can also get a page? Results May Vary (talk) 20:32, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. -- MisterJames (talk) 11:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, so here's the first one: Scooby-Doo! Night of 100 Frights. Note the scoobypedia template & some other things. i just wanted to show you how i'd make it, but ultimately the decision on what to do is your own Results May Vary (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a good start. I like the infobox, I wasn't entirely sure if I wanted that or how I wanted it to look. I may think about implementing that to other areas. But I also did have my ideas on how to set it apart, though. Especially just keeping it all on one page, as I've watched how those levels operate, and it would just be too much to handle here, as it is over there. -- MisterJames (talk) 21:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't really think its necessary with the Scoobypedia template. Bits here and there have been copied, but this is free to distribute stuff, anyway, so I wouldn't want the template getting in the way of how the page looks. I plan on asking Simon, who added a synopsis of SCOOB! to Scoobypedia, because it's a lot of work. In that case it would be suitable, but not for every little detail. -- MisterJames (talk) 23:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm really sorry, but I had to delete it. At first I tried to work away around what you copied, but then I couldn't put my all into with how I would want it to look, not without giving it a major overhaul, and I'm not ready to do that. I tried to look at it in the perspective that the video games would inevitably have to be different in some ways, but I'm just not sure what that is yet. The categories need to be in alphabetical order, too, and there doesn't really need to be an exclamation mark in "Scooby-Doo." I really like the infobox, though. I would've also put the box art cover in there, though. -- MisterJames (talk) 23:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * it's ok i was just trying to show you my idea. Results May Vary (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * also yeah i could try and cobble up something quickly for other infoboxesResults May Vary (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok done, check Template:Infobox episode and Template:Infobox movie. Results May Vary (talk) 01:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright there we go, I fixed up the Infobox template too. the caption is now displayed below the image, and the the title card can be shown at the very bottom of infobox if willing. :) Results May Vary (talk) 18:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, buddy. -- MisterJames (talk) 18:26, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad you're liking the wiki. :) Also, if you want, i could be promoted to admin & interface admin for short while to help you with some basic site layout & design to improve the wiki's look. Results May Vary (talk) 18:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you'd like. Things are going a bit slow on that front. Although I have been talking with "Alexander Cabot" about the main page. -- MisterJames (talk) 18:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure. Also one other suggestion is the recent changes. Bit of a long story, so I'll talk about it here. I really dont like when mediawiki changed their recent changes look, so i was wondering if you felt the same & it could be reverted to the older recent changes. Results May Vary (talk) 18:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Another thing I want to notify you about is that I might show signs of inactivity because I have other main wikis to work on & I'm mostly here to help set up and perhaps make some video game articles, as that's my main specialty. Results May Vary (talk) 18:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Can you make this look better? Scooby Doo and a Mummy, Too -- MisterJames (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look Results May Vary (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok check the page now. The problem was that i didnt format the title card part of the template properly. Results May Vary (talk) 20:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Favicon
I had an idea for a favicon for the site, if you want to ask Alex to add this: https://i.imgur.com/prOghbT.png Results May Vary (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's nice. Yes, please. -- MisterJames (talk) 19:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Favicon has been added. If there's any issues with it, let me know. Sometimes it gets a little buggy. :) Alex95 (talk) 20:56, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Sidebar
You know the sidebar on the left side? You can modify it from MediaWiki:Sidebar. Results May Vary (talk) 03:18, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I tried adding the Twitter and Instagram links there, but it seems that they're not allowed to be there? -- MisterJames (talk) 17:03, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Re:
So basically a previous/next episode/movie navigation, correct? Results May Vary (talk) 19:26, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed. -- MisterJames (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, give it a try now. See here for changes I did. Results May Vary (talk) 23:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. But is there any way in making them in equal length? The "previous" row comes off shorter. I'd like it to not be paired off with the other regular left sided rows. -- MisterJames (talk) 10:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah I did not notice that. It should be fixed now. Results May Vary (talk) 16:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Captcha update
I noticed the captcha has been having issues on several wikis, including here, that caused it to not display properly. I updated some of the code and it should only effect anons and new users. You do not appear to have been having any issues with this recently, but if a problem does come up, let me know on my talk page. :) Alex95 (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Re: Color guide

 * I could help with that. Do you mean something like this? Or a color that is designated for a character, game, movie, object, etc.? 23:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the former. The best example I could give is https://youngjustice.fandom.com/wiki/Independence_Day_(pilot), although really identical. I don't really want it all numbered like that, just something simple. I think I would like it so a particular colour could run through a character if need be. -- MisterJames (talk) 00:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, so I know maybe a few changes could be possibly made, but here is what I got: Hanna-Barbera Wiki:Sandbox. What do you think? Results May Vary (talk) 18:08, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wasn't entirely sure, but it's growing on me. The table probably makes more sense to highlight this stuff than without it. I just would like the addition of a mentioned colour for the character that would fill out the length of both rows and a non-speaking colour that would go in the voice actor row. -- MisterJames (talk) 11:17, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So a key for "mentioned", you're saying? Results May Vary (talk) 16:52, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. -- MisterJames (talk) 08:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay, check Template:Legend. How does that look (the "Mentioned" bit)? Results May Vary (talk) 15:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks good. We don't need "Episode debut" bit. -- MisterJames (talk) 20:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Scratch that. The Hex Girls were in a movie before they were in an episode, so that would still work. -- MisterJames (talk) 13:28, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Could we make this official yet? -- MisterJames (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

What you have now seems good to me, though I'm curious how you plan to use it, as it doesn't look like it has any additional parameters for the template. How are you thinking this would look? Alex95 (talk) 01:09, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Similar to what I linked to Young Justice Wiki. Do you think there will be a problem? -- MisterJames (talk) 08:33, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think there will be a major problem. Template just looks incomplete, so I'm not sure how you plan on having it function. Alex95 (talk) 20:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If you look at the Hanna-Barbera Wiki:Sandbox, that's how it will function. I guess I could just turn it into something official myself. For whatever reason, I just thought I needed further help. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I need to be able to make it more simpler for use in an official capacity, and less manual like it is in the sandbox. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * On the Young Justice Wiki it has the first appearance colour as its own template, as well. -- MisterJames (talk) 23:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I've started using it. If you look at Teen Wolf's Family Secret, there's a gap formed between the header and the legend box. How can this be fixed. -- MisterJames (talk) 00:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry, I don't check this wiki a lot.
 * I see what you mean now, yeah. As for the gap, I see no real problem with it, but you can put the noinclude information of the template immediately after the "In order of appearance:" bit rather than on the next line down. Alex95 (talk) 03:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Re: TV infobox
Hi, sorry I didn't log on sooner. I'll take a look at it right now Results May Vary (talk) 00:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, try and see if it works now Results May Vary (talk) 01:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was wondering when/if you would see my message. Glad you could fix it. It's also nice to know what I was doing wrong. Thanks. -- MisterJames (talk) 01:06, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello
It's me, Snoopy. What could I do to help out here. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 20:59, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, it wouldn't let me create pages. Anything you could do about that? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 21:12, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, welcome, Snoopy! Let me see about that. -- MisterJames (talk) 21:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise or forgot, there was a seven day restriction and 10 edit necessity before you could make a new page, but I've asked for that to be removed for you. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:15, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I figured it out now. I had to confirm my Gmail. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 22:35, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I had thought of that too. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

There's almost boundless stuff you could do. Where ever you want to start, really. I can assist you/get you going, if need be. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I would like to get some screenshots of characters from their perspective shows and try to atleast, crate some of their pages. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay. If you haven't seen any of the character pages, yet, Category:Characters should give you an template of how they should look. -- MisterJames (talk) 23:04, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I see you removed the HBAAL appearance on Snagglepuss because you didn't recall him appearing. He actually did appear, but never spoke. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 07:53, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I put "Snaggle" in the search bar, because putting in "Snagglepuss" kept on going to the character, but with the disambiguation, it can now show results freely for Snagglepuss. I now see I added him to several episodes. Thanks. -- MisterJames (talk) 07:55, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure if each team on LaL (YY, SD and RR) should have their own categories (like how we have it at Scoobypedia and Laff-a-Lympics wiki) or should we just place the members in the main LaL characters category. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 08:09, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I never thought that far, to be honest. But I don't mind team members having both. -- MisterJames (talk) 08:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

An interesting thing to note is that Yogi Bear (in person) made a cameo at the end of the Augie Doggie and Doggie Daddy episode "Pop's Nature Pup". BTW Yogi's character page should probably have "(character)" at the end because, we have the character, the Huck Hound Yogi segments and the Comics from Marvel all sharing the same name. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:30, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm in complete agreement with that.
 * Also, when I saw Yogi pop up at the end of "Pop's Nature Pup", I was really surprised. I could just never remember the name of the episode. -- MisterJames (talk) 23:59, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

"Parodies and pop culture references" page
Should we have a page on HB references from other media like we have on Scoobypedia? I know for sure we could list stuff that shouldn't have it's own page on there. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 03:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, when I was uploading character images. I made a mistake by not changing one of the files' names. Mind renaming it? Thank you. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 06:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I've corrected Mr. Twiddle.
 * I had also been thinking about a parodies and pop culture references page, but I wasn't sure how to go about it. For one thing the name, if we could improve on that, but also whether or not there should be one page for everything, or a page for each franchise, or just leave it on each series page. -- MisterJames (talk) 08:26, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we should probably leave it on the main series page. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 02:33, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

First Appearance
Should we have a "First Appearance" section on the character infobox? It seems necessary to list what series (and episode) the character first appeared in. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 02:33, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll work on that. -- MisterJames (talk) 09:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

I added it to Huckleberry Hound. I marked the series as Huckleberry Hound, but I wasn't entirely sure whether or not to label it as The Huckleberry Hound Show. I also think that row would work better with characters that have multiple appearances. Doing it for single appearance characters seems redundant. -- MisterJames (talk) 09:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I like how it turned out and yeah, we probably shouldn't have that with single appearance. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 15:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * BTW I'm not sure about Huck's show ether. But we can have one page for his individual segment and another for his entire show and maybe keep "The Huckleberry Hound Show characters" category and use it as a subcategory for the individual segments' character categories. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 15:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, we can try that. I'm trying to work out if it would work better as a main category or a subcategory, but we can just see if it works as a subcategory first. -- MisterJames (talk) 16:39, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it would work, when I think of it in terms of "Scooby-Doo characters" category and then each series being a subcategory of that. -- MisterJames (talk) 16:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Doggie Daddy's name
Though his name is "Doggie Daddy", a user told me about his real name being "Edward J. Doggie" and that they have a rare 1990s card with alot of information on Daddy. I'm not exactly sure if this is true because I couldn't find a card based on the given information. Also while I'm here, what episode exactly was it where he was pronounced as "Daddy Doggie"? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 07:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I also think it's odd how he and Augie have different surnames. Perhaps it was because of Augie's unknown mother (which I think Yowp made a blog about) or the possible fact that Daddy's name may very well be a "nickname" he give to himself. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 07:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's one of those episodes (like the one where Yogi appeared) I completely forgot the name of. Their family name seems to be Doggie, but Doggie Daddy switches it around because that's who he is, with the way he talks and everything, so it's really just a nickname. And it makes complete sense when you think about. -- MisterJames (talk) 08:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I do remember he was answering the phone when he said it, though. -- MisterJames (talk) 08:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * In "Skunk You Very Much" he pronounces himself on the phone as "Daddy Doggie". -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 01:51, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That's the episode! -- MisterJames (talk) 01:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Groups?
How would group page layouts go? Do you have an example of a group page you created? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:08, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not. Should we have an infobox, and if we do, what colour would you like to represent it? -- MisterJames (talk) 23:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm... maybe light blue. Can you create a diff out of a group (maybe Scooby Doobies) and I'll check out the format. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:54, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Or maybe I should create a diff and let you edit it (if necessary). I think besides the infobox, we can have a short description, members list, some kind of history section and the references section. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 10:35, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought about the infobox and the page. But you can create a diff and I'll pitch in. -- MisterJames (talk) 20:27, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, you can create the infobox (since I'm not use to creating those here yet) and I'll create the main article. Tell me if you like it or not when I'm done. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 21:39, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't want to knock down your start because of the changes I made, but I did make some rather big differentiating changes so it wasn't so similar to Scoobypedia. The infobox I modified with new rows that I wanted to distinguish with. I didn't add a status section, because I didn't want to make it finite. Life just is always going on in the world of Hanna-Barbera even if we don't see it all. I also thought we might as well add all the members to the infobox. You carried over the brown, but since that doesn't seem to look as nice here, and you first choice blue before, I added that as well. As for the rest of the page, to keep it in the style of this wiki, I added the name of the series in the intro, so then it felt unnecessary to then have it as a subheading. Oh, and I changed it from groups to organizations, because that's the heading I was using for all types of groups and companies like in "What a Night for a Knight", so I thought it was best to be consistent with that. -- MisterJames (talk) 12:48, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Shows
When it comes to segments that share the same name as the internet series, what will be the formatting? Should the segment share a page with the main series? For example, "Huckleberry Hound (TV series)" and "The Huckleberry Hound Show", because some pages are still using that formatting with them being separate. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 15:45, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's best to just have "Huckleberry Hound (TV series)" be part of "The Huckleberry Hound Show". -- MisterJames (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I fixed the links on Huck's page. I don't consider doing the same with Yogi's series because of all the shorts on two different shows makes it better if Yogi's segment had it's own article rather than having it on The Yogi Bear Show page. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 18:56, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Could you also create a year page so I know what the formatting on year pages are. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 19:03, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, right, because I linked those years. I completely forgot. It seemed like a good idea at the time. I'll think about what to do for those. -- MisterJames (talk) 20:57, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I wondered what you would've wanted to do with the Yogi segments. I figured that we might as take it as it is and to keep it consistent. The Huckleberry Show happens to have Yogi segments and The Yogi Bear Show has its own segments. On the other hand, it epends on the way you see it. It's literally the same type of format on two different shows, so I see the interest in also keeping the segments from both The Huckleberry Hound Show and The Yogi Bear Show as well. So, my overly complicated answer is okay. -- MisterJames (talk) 21:02, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Would it be better to separate the original segments as "Yogi Bear (1958 TV series)" just to distinguish itself from The Yogi Bear Show segments? -- MisterJames (talk) 10:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea because if we had all of them onto one page, it would mix everything up. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 15:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

HKP
I think we should probably name his article "Hong Kong Phooey (character)" because of there being a comic lineup sharing the same name (not to mention the series). -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 01:14, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay. I completely forgot about the comic. -- MisterJames (talk) 10:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Galleries?
Are promo material galleries for characters allowed? Random screenshots aren't really necessary. If they are allowed, characters with alot of promo material like Scooby, Yogi, Fred Flintstone and Huckleberry should probably have sub-galleries. Your thoughts? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 18:28, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I added a gallery section to Scooby-Doo (character), then linked to a gallery page. I think know those pages would benefit by having an entire gallery page dedicated to each of them. I was thinking that promo material could be a section on there, as well as alternate clothes they wear. -- MisterJames (talk) 19:58, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. Should I start adding gallery links to protagonist pages? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 20:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, go ahead. :) -- MisterJames (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Scoobypedia was vandalized
A regular editor (ToonGuy287) all this sudden just vandalized some articles on Scoobypedia but I managed to cleanup the vandalism and block them for 2 weeks. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 05:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Snoopy. -- MisterJames (talk) 06:07, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Locations
Should locations like Transylvania, Paris and the Swiss Alps have their own articles? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 02:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, definitely. -- MisterJames (talk) 03:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Scrapped HB characters
Are scrapped HB characters (like Toing Tiger) actually allowed to have their own articles? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 20:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think so. I mean, Duffy's Dozen was only a pitch, so it's not that much of a stretch from something like Toing Tiger. -- MisterJames (talk) 03:11, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we could cover an article on "Toing Tiger" since it was an official scrapped HB series. Having the information about the series and the model sheets on there would work too. I'm not exactly sure on having individual character articles from that series, since episodes and previews don't exist. I'll try making a layout. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 03:51, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

LaL issue 2
I'm now done with issue 2. Could you delete the redirects? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 11:31, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Would you like to be an admin, so you can do this yourself? -- MisterJames (talk) 11:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 18:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Done! :) -- MisterJames (talk) 19:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

HB cereal art
Here's some interesting HB cereal art I found. Notice that they included Goober instead of Scooby for some reason, my guess being that they thought it would be just as popular it the time. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 03:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Also notice that Top Cat was called "Boss Cat" in the United Kingdom. This was because of his name also being the name of a then-popular British brand of cat food. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 03:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's some more interesting HB art featuring some weird looking character masks. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This isn't exactly HB cereal art, but I've also found the complete card set from Arby's in good quality. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 02:35, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's another full card set in high quality. Note that this was the card that mentioned Ding-a-Ling as a fox on Hokey's card, which is an interesting concept as some sources have a similar issue, which makes sense because he somewhat does look like a fox in some way. Another issue is that they mentioned Douglas (from "Pick a Chick") as a sheepdog, when really he was actually a chicken guarding dog. Also, it's not exactly an error but I did notice that they used the 90s version of Secret Squirrel instead of the 60s version. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 04:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Re:
I'm on various other gaming wikis, such as finalfantasywiki.com, zeldawiki.info, banjokazooiewiki.com. Me and Scrooge are also developing a SpongeBob Wiki. I kept it in userspace as I was still unsure whether to move it in or not, and felt that the final decision is up to you. Sorry for the inactivity. Results May Vary (talk) 05:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's cool. I guess I'll create that page then. Have you given any more look into what I said about an MCU Wiki? -- MisterJames (talk) 12:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * An MCU? No I haven't, what about it did you say again? Results May Vary (talk) 13:58, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I expanded on it in the "Deleted wiki" section of this talk page. But Alex said that you weren't hosting any more wikis at the moment, not until getting a new server. -- MisterJames (talk) 15:25, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's complex because I don't host any wikis besides zeldawiki.info and spongebobwiki.org (and pt.dkwiki.org, but that's a tiny wiki), and I'm currently unemployed and trying to carefully manage the limited resources I do have at the moment. Grifkuba (which is Alex95 among others) is a community/group thing. Hope this makes sense. I'm not making excuses either Results May Vary (talk) 18:00, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand. You've both been very generous in allowing this site on Grifkuba, and if this is the only one then I'm okay with that. -- MisterJames (talk) 20:12, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'm sure it can be made a possibility some day. If ever you were to do an MCU, would it also be from scratch? Results May Vary (talk) 20:57, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I'd like it to all be transferred over, there's no need to start from scratch. I already cover a majority of it from Iron Man to this month's WandaVision, since I have Disney+. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:46, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Book formatting
I'm wondering how the regular book (not comic) formatting should go, because I inserted the front cover of a book awhile back. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 22:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's such a lengthy title, but I suppose we should have the article match that. I found some high-quality photos (in fact the entire book) on this blog. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You also spoke specifically about the formatting, sorry. I have a Little Golden Book (about Scooby) myself, so I will work on that for you. -- MisterJames (talk) 22:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hokey airdates
Look at the bottom of this blog from Yowp, Yowp has some of the official airdates for some of the Hokey shorts, which become pretty obscure on the internet. Should I start replacing the current airdates with the ones Yowp has listed? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 17:28, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's a good find! Sure. Also, looking in the response section, I have no recollection of "Meet the Flintstones" playing in the background of a Hokey short. -- MisterJames (talk) 18:43, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I recall some of the Flintstones underscore playing in the background. But I also recall some of the Yogi Bear underscore playing in the background. So it's a mixture between both. BTW Bean Pod'ners is said to have aired before most of the other shorts, which could mean the current episode lineup for Hokey is incorrect and the original lineup is lost. There is definitely a possibility that Tricks and Treats is in fact the first episode. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 18:51, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's the current episode lineup I've made based on the official airdates Yowp gave us. It's best of what makes sense. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 19:50, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think I've got it in the right order. If this is the exact episode order. I would have to got ahead and edited the episode articles. Wikipedia had the episode order like how we have it now and they didn't use a reliable source. Tricks and Treats was the first episode and Hokey Dokey was the second episode, but almost every other episode was incorrect. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 21:13, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Character pairs
I've been thinking about which character pairs should be paired up and came up with this: Your thoughts? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 21:31, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Pixie and Dixie: We already have them paired up and this works best because there are very little times where their separate.
 * Iggy and Ziggy: Two crows from some of the early Huck shorts, similar to Pixie and Dixie's case, they should share a page.
 * Snooper and Blabber: Probably shouldn't share a page, although there weren't many times where they were separate.
 * Dirty and Dastardly Dalton: Probably not, I went through the entire LaL series and saw very little scenes where they were together.
 * If think there's nothing to gain from Dirty and Dastardly sharing a page, then you can separate them. Because Dinky was there too, and is never joined onto to them, making them a trio. I don't think Snooper and Blabber need to share a page, although I can see where you're coming from. Would Augie and Daddy sharing a page be that much different from Snooper and Blabber sharing a page?
 * Honesty, Dirty and Dastardly I made with individual pages here. I couldn't find much with them being together in LaL. Merging them together sounds unnecessary. The main issue I have with Snooper and Blabber sharing an article is that, there was an instance where Snooper appeared by himself as a cameo in The Good, the Bad and the Huckleberry Hound, so the "Huckleberry Hound characters" category could be covered there. Having them share an article would remain where the category should go, as having the category under their article wouldn't be easy. Doggie Daddy had some roles by himself that wouldn't be easy covering in one page. One was in the same movie Snooper made a cameo in (which I already mentioned) and the other being in the 9th issue of the Yogi Bear Marvel Comics. Although not canon, he also appeared by himself in "Laff-a-Munich" from Robot Chicken (I don't know if it was Daddy or Augie, maybe it was Daddy?) and the "Brothers and Sisters" episode of Family Guy. I don't exactly know how easy the two would be covered in one article, I *did* try this before on the LaL wiki. But it didn't work well. On Scoobypedia I did merge them into one article because their roles alone in LaL were minor. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:43, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I should also mention Doggie Daddy had appearances by himself in Birdman. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:45, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I should've checked about the Daltons beforehand, shouldn't I? But I also edited at those pages for as well. I think Pixie and Dixie are fine together, and Iggy and Ziggy are fine together. The others, on the other hand, I believe would just be better suited apart. -- MisterJames (talk) 00:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I have some questions/opinions about pairs as well.


 * Ruff and Reddy: I think they're better separated. The same or similar to Tom and Jerry being separate.
 * The Wonder Twins: You had a problem with the fact that Augie and Daddy couldn't share a page because of the fact that Daddy appeared on Harvey Birdman by himself, which is the same thing that happened with Zan, but I still think Zan and Zayna sharing a page would still work, with a note about Jan appearing by himself.
 * Jan and Jace: They always appear together.

-- MisterJames (talk) 20:03, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with all, also I already made Ruff and Reddy separate. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 20:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

That list of Hanna-Barbera characters page reminded me of the pairing of Big Dog and Little Dog. -- MisterJames (talk) 13:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with that term. The two are are almost always seen together. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 17:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I've reevaluated my decision on the Yippee, Yappee, and Yahooey, and I think that they can have separate pages, if you that's what you still want. -- MisterJames (talk) 18:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, I was actually rethinking about their article(s) and if they should share one or not. A wise decision would be separating their articles. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 19:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

HB books
Here's some HB books I found in high quality. Hope this helps: And I think we get the picture. Lot's of HB stuff is on that blog. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 00:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2011/04/cbt-lippy-lion-and-hardy-har-har.html
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2013/12/cbt-huckleberry-hound-rainmaker.html#more
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2013/12/cbt-huckleberry-hound-and-yogi-bear.html#more
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2013/06/cbt-hanna-barberas-cave-kids.html#more
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2013/01/cbt-scooby-doo-and-mystery-of-rider.html?m=1#more
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2011/12/cbt-yogi-bear-christmas-visit.html?m=1#more
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2011/12/cbt-yogi-bear-helps-santa.html?m=1#more
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2011/08/cbt-peter-potamus-meets-black-knight.html?m=1#more
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2011/05/cbt-yogi-bear-takes-vacation.html?m=1#more
 * http://randomactsofgeekery.blogspot.com/2011/05/cbt-yogi-bear-cranky-magician.html?m=1#more

Commercials and Bumpers
Here's how the formatting I think should go for the bumpers or commercials: For channels or companies with lot's of commercials or bumpers like Boomerang, we can have an individual page like "List of Boomerang bumpers". Thoughts on this? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 01:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I like the layout and I think splitting it off like that sounds fair to me. But do you think we can get the final time a commercial aired? -- MisterJames (talk) 01:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure. I know the final time the older Boomerang bumpers that mostly featured HB aired in 2015 something. I think we could at least try to put the final year it aired (if that works). And if we could figure out the final exact date, we can put it on there. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 02:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Jellystone! pictures
I feel like we should get their Jellystone! incarnations using closeups from the promo, then replaced the pictures with screenshots once the actual show comes out. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 17:36, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, since we're mentioning it on their pages, we should include their images. I just wish we knew more by now. Warner Media made a lot of new announcements recently, not mentioning the status of Jellystone! at all. -- MisterJames (talk) 18:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Since LaL was deemed not canon. It's probably best we add their LaL pictures. I want to make a checklist of HB shows or comics that are not canon to the original so we can at least have that going. First, I'll let you list a few HB shows you consider not canon to the original and give the reason(s) why you don't consider them canon and then I'll try to list one's that I don't consider canon. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * WB properties that are HB related can be included. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Canceled HB properties
Here's a list of canceled HB properties. I find many of them interesting. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 19:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There's some they don't mention, like a live-action Scooby-Doo in the late 70s and Hanna-Barbera Babies. -- MisterJames (talk) 19:56, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * They also didn't mention Toing Tiger, but I guess that wasn't going to be it's own show, it looked more like it was going to be a segment. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 20:07, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * BTW, we are at 901 pages. We're getting closer to 1000 pages. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 08:05, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I know, I saw your other message. It's exciting! -- MisterJames (talk) 09:47, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Intro pages
Do intros (also known as theme songs) need their own pages or should there be a section on the main series page for those. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 01:20, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe a format could work, but I don't think segments like Hokey or Augie need individual theme song articles (unless they seem necessary to you). -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 21:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it depends on a couple of factors, how long they are and do they actually have names? We know the most popular theme to Flintstones has a name ("Meet The Flintstones" or "(Meet) The Flintstones", I've been linking it as the latter, but I'm not really sure). The theme song for Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? just seems to be called the same thing as the series. With the Jetsons theme song that's so short, and I have no idea what the name for that would be, so I just included it on the page. Like, how culturally significant is the Jetsons theme song compared to the theme songs of Flintstones and Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? If we did have a page for that, would it be acceptable to call it "The Jetsons theme song?" I also don't think those songs for the segments need pages. Mostly, they just feel like jingles. You know, I've never been able to find Yogi Bear one online. When I did search for it once, I got some filthy song from the 90s that is apparently official. -- Signed by James (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The Pixie and Dixie intro had lyrics, I think that could work with the Jetsons intro, maybe we could do the same with the Cattanooga Cats intro and the Where's Huddles? intro since they also had lyrics, but they don't seem to have proper names. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 21:51, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Ding-a-Ling
He gave his full name out as "Ding-a-Ling Fox" in one issue. It was revealed (I guess) in some of the comics that he was apparently a fox. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 02:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's interesting. I wonder how seriously we're supposed to take that outside of the comics? Like the same way Babu was called Babu Genie in one comic. -- MisterJames (talk) 09:06, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's odd, there was an entire comic story I found where Ding-a-Ling was used as part of a scheme to lore the hunter into taking Hokey's idea, the main reason here was because there was a fox hunt going on. I don't know if we should consider this canon to the series based on Ding-a-Ling being a wolf in the series, yet his species was changed here. It's actually weird. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 09:17, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know if the same rules apply, but I have been using the surnames of Marvin and Wendy that were only used in the comics. But there's probably more chances of other Marvins and Wendys than there are Ding-a-Lings. -- MisterJames (talk) 19:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Their surnames seem legit, I don't entirely believe Ding-a-Ling's surname is "Fox", because that would be indicating that he is a fox (despite him only being one in this comic lineup). So yeah, I believe Marvin and Wendy's surnames are right. I have my doubts on Ding-a-Lings. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 06:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm actually now wondering if we should include Babu's surname on his own article, I mean I'm not considering the comics canon (see here where I discuss a few explains of why I don't think the comics are canon). -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 08:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I was expecting a "but" there. If we're going to consider Babu's surname, then what about Snagglepuss Lion? Did you know that the name Mystery Incorporated/Mystery Inc. came out of the comics and books first before being used in the cartoon? Even though Marvel was publishing, the comics were 100% by Hanna-Barbera. -- MisterJames (talk) 08:33, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Messick
Do you have a better picture of Don Messick to replace the current one I've uploaded? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The best one I can suggest is what I added to Scoobypedia. -- MisterJames (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * BTW, see here for some "funtastic" HB facts I've listed. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 02:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Laff-A-Lympics Home Video
I'm making the category "Laff-A-Lympics Home Video", since Laff-A-Lympics also had VHSs. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 17:08, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation page
Can you make a disambiguation page as an example of what disambiguation pages would look like? -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 03:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

HB (Europe)
You might want to take a look at this. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 07:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * They talk an awful lot of Hanna-Barbera's roots, so hopefully this means some comebacks. -- MisterJames (talk) 09:04, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Help and Discord
Now that the wiki is more open, it could use some help pages on how to handle basic editing and what policies your editors should follow. The main page would be Help:Contents, with other Help: pages detailing what you're looking for. Help:Contents should then be linked to on the sidebar. Take a look at https://www.mariowiki.com/Help:Contents as an example.

Additionally, having a member on the Grifkuba Discord would allow someone to easily contact us if something needs fixing. Though I have alerts turned on for my own talk page, having multiple people see a request will help it get done easier. Alex95 (talk) 17:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Pointless game show
Your going to be surprised by this, but some HB characters were apparently mentioned in the "Pointless game show". -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 18:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Cartoon Network Presents
The Cartoon Network Presents comics have a lot of HB related stuff in it, sadly some characters didn't make into the comics (such as Hokey and Ding-a-Ling, and the Where's Huddles? and Roman Holidays characters) but some of the Scooby clones made it like Goober and Jabberjaw. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 20:17, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

VHS example
I made a VHS page example, "It's the Wolf (VHS)", hope this helps for future VHS pages. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 08:01, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I like it! Thanks. -- -- Signed by James (talk) 09:03, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

It's the Wolf page
I added on the top of the page later appearances of each character and that the shorts were used as part of the half hour series, Motormouse (which was so obscure that I wasn't aware of it until much later on, look here for the intro), what's your thoughts on the added additions? I'd like to do more of these additions in the future. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 02:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Two thumbs up. I think it's good to be applied to future additions. -- Signed by James (talk) 07:17, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Loopy De Loop
When I found a high quality version of the first theatrical short online, I became interested in making the first short. Should we use the same format like Tom and Jerry's theatrical shorts or just the regular episode format. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 08:11, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The theatrical format. They've all later been shown on TV at some point, but they were originally shown at the cinema. -- -- Signed by James (talk) 08:46, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm done with it. Check it out and see if you like how it turned out :) -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 09:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As you can see, I made some alterations, but apart from that it looks good. I'm wondering if we should still number the title cards as we do with the title cards for TV series? I don't think we're so far into the theatrical shorts to not be able to rename the images. -- Signed by James (talk) 09:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, that could work, glad you like it. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 09:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I did an example on the LDL title card, this would be helpful for sure. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 11:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Jellystone!
I'm proud to finally announce that Greenblatt mentioned that JS is in fact a Yogi series, so I removed the "Jellystone! characters" category and replaced it with the main "Yogi Bear characters" category; I wasn't entirely sure at first about "if it's a Yogi series or not" and wanted to wait till we got confirmation either from how the series was in focus to Yogi, or if Greenblatt confirmed it himself. The name definitely hints it though, lol. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 07:38, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yay! That's a relief. -- Signed by James (talk) 08:17, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Instagram link
I think the link to your Instagram is broken when trying to visit the link under "community" or at least on my end. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:37, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's also doing that on my profile, weird, must be an update or something on IG's end. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 23:39, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it's just on my end. I may have to contact IG somehow. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 04:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Appears they "restricted certain activity" on my account, possibly because I was posting drawings too much at a time? Not sure, seems I'll be able to have those abilities back tomorrow. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 04:31, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not right. -- Signed by James (talk) 04:53, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Jellystone! episodes
Finally done with making the main layout of the episodes, we just need to fill out info on them. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 22:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Early concept art
Someone posted some early concept art of characters such as Fred Flintstone, Touché Turtle, Snagglepuss, Top Cat and Elroy Jetson. Fun fact: Touché was originally intended to be a rabbit. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 20:23, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Character appearances
As you may have saw, I'm trying to start on adding each characters' appearances from each show in which they appeared in, and of course which episodes they are in, we both know sources like Wikipedia and Big Cartoon Database can be pretty unreliable at times, so it's best we look through the episodes to make sure the information is correct. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 19:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

MCU Wiki on Grifkuba
I remember all this time ago you wanted an independent MCU Wiki. I think Grifkuba has more resources now & might be willing to take it on, if that's of interest to you. You could ask Alex95 or someone else for their permission. However, from SpongeBob Wiki I had to have a deal that there can't be large gallery pages, as this not only take up a lot of space but also might be a fairuse violation. Results May Vary (talk) 15:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for remembering. I was actually unsure since I've haven't been editing much at the MCU wiki because What If deflated my interest and Wikia's layout is extremely off-putting. But with Shang-Chi out today and Hawkeye coming later, I'd like to jump back in. You said about large gallery pages, so would this be inappropriate? -- Signed by James (talk) 11:44, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll go ask Ampera. I'm pretty sure it will be fine, as you're illustrating what the unnamed characters are rather than not have any context as to what the images are, etc. So yes, I'd say it counts as fair use. Results May Vary (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * After asking Alex95, they're not quite ready. -- Signed by James (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Chief (Undercover Elephant)
I think you made a suggestion that we should have a page for him, and I agree since his voice is there in every episode. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 09:33, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Jolly good. Thanks. -- Signed by James (talk) 10:19, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Quick Question
How do I make subpage on my User Page. I saw that you and Snoopy had subpages to complete not yet made articles to add later (EX: the Metlife Commerical) and I was wonder how to do that --SonicExeP (talk) 01:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * How I do it is by writing User:MisterJames/Subpage in the search bar and it goes to an empty page. You can start work on it by going to the create tab at the top. -- Signed by James (talk) 01:55, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You can name it whatever you like, "subpage" was just an example. I can name it more accurately, if you wish. -- Signed by James (talk) 10:50, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate that thanks --SonicExeP (talk) 18:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Affiliate
Do you want to affiliate with Wimpy Kid Wiki, Arthur Wiki, SpongeBob Wiki (and having Gaming Wiki Network banner on the Main Page)? I been trying to work up the courage to say this for a while now. Results May Vary (talk) 18:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The thing about that is, it's just we haven't exactly figured out what our main page is even going to look like. The other wikis have their own distinct look, while we don't. It would be nice to have that first. -- Signed by James (talk) 22:35, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Stub
I thought about this for awhile, but maybe we should have a stub template for incomplete articles. This may help editors find articles easier that need expansion in a few places. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 19:16, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * At this point, I don't think it would help. I think it would end up just being an ugly eyesore and then just staying there forever. We had this on Scoobypedia and an expansion tag which was for pages that had more info but still needed help, but then people would still go and a stub because they didn't understand the difference. -- Signed by James (talk) 09:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think your right on that, I feel like when the wiki is big enough, then it might be a necessary thing, but for now, most pages don't have much content in them, so it kinda feels like that would make nearly every pages a stub page, which would be an annoying thing to deal with. So I see where your coming from on that. -- Snoopy The Dog (talk) 09:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Progress on the Hanna-Barbera Wiki
Hello there MisterJames.

How's progress going on the Hanna-Barbera Wiki? Is it any good? --Michael (talk) 15:05, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's going fabulous. Thanks for joining. -- Signed by James (talk) 23:50, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Scooby-Doo series to be completed
Hello there MisterJames.

So how many more Scooby-Doo series to be go before it's completed on this Hanna-Barbera Wiki? --Michael (talk) 14:06, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm in the middle of Get a Clue and Mystery Incorporated, then we're finished. -- Signed by James (talk) 14:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh wait, there's Be Cool, Scooby-Doo! that needs to be done as well IMO. Here it is: Be Cool, Scooby-Doo! --Michael (talk) 14:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, snap! You're right. -- Signed by James (talk) 15:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

What about the rest of the Scooby-Doo specials and movies which need doing as well? --Michael (talk) 16:31, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, naturally. Some Cartoon Network specials, the Lego and Playmobil stuff, Scoobynatural, and the movies. -- Signed by James (talk) 17:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

To do list
Hi MisterJames.

Can you add Dastardly & Muttley in their Flying Machines and The Perils of Penelope Pitstop to the to do list as well please and also the Hanna-Barbera Presents and Cartoon Network Presents comics? Or maybe i could.

That would be much appreciated IMO. --Michael (talk) 16:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Actors and People
Hi there MisterJames,

I have a suggestion for when pages are created for actors and people from Hanna-Barbera, Cartoon Network Studios and Warner Bros. Animation:

IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/

Behind The Voice Actors: https://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/

This should help, right? --Michael (talk) 13:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It should help, if you want to use it yourself. I do use it as well, thanks. -- Signed by James (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo Screencaps
Hello there MisterJames,

I see you've taken screencaps from the first episode of The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo such as Flim-Flam. Very nice.

Are you planning to do more screencaps from that show including Shaggy wearing his red shirt and blue trousers and Daphne's outfits and the gang's disguises and others? --Michael (talk) 17:15, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Definitely, I'm going to do all of that now while I can. -- Signed by James (talk) 17:35, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Daphne's 13 Ghosts Outfits
Hi there MisterJames,

Daphne Blake wore different outfits in The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo which include:

1: Her purple one-piece overalls, a belt and pixie boots, although she sometimes wears dark top under the overalls or her purple high heels.

2. Her long sleeved mauve top with a rolled collar, matching mauve pants and legwarmers with a purple puffer vest and matching high heels.

3. Her long sleeved purple dress with two lilac belts, hoops at each shoulder and lilac boots.

4. Her purple coat over a short sleeved lilac dress with a purple belt and purple high heels as well.

How's progress going on taking screencaps of Daphne in all her different outfits (as well as disguises) from episodes of The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo, MisterJames? --Michael (talk) 14:27, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the descriptions. They're truly helpful. I'm up to episode 5. -- Signed by James (talk) 14:34, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


 * You're welcome MisterJames. --Michael (talk) 14:37, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

BTW, there might be some more, see here: https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Daphne's_outfits_and_disguises#The_13_Ghosts_of_Scooby-Doo

This should help. --Michael (talk) 12:25, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Calendars
Hello again MisterJames,

I see that you created a January page for the Calendars section that you've created, i'm impressed.

Have you got plans to create month pages from February to December at some point? --Michael (talk) 14:58, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Fred in Seth's Cartoon Calamity
Dear, James

In a section for Seth MacFarlane's Cavalcade of Cartoon Calamity, I made a revision where I censored the title of one short (Fred Flintstone Takes a S***). When that part was reverted I was confused, and that is why I'm here. The reason I did it was simple: while the short itself was funny, I felt like the actual title may be off-putting to some; especially those sensitive to vulgar language. I have no intent of butchering this part alone, however. I may be wrong and the title will still remain uncensored (likewise in the short's page on this wiki), but in the larger context of Fred Flintstone's character (or his page at least) it may come across as inappropriate. If you agree on this, I may include a bit of context regarding the short (if it has one at all).

With that being said, thanks for reading and I hope it'll be helpful. --QuestJ65 (talk) 02:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I did put an advisory on the main page about the adult content. I did in the beginning think about bleeping stuff out, but in the end, we're an encyclopedia and it is what it is. Just words like "Shit" I don't think would be that bad, but when it comes to descriptions that is more problematic and that's when we need to be as clean as possible. It isn't easy when we're covering legitimate spin-offs like Birdgirl, and then HB-like shows with Mike Tyson Mysteries. There are also times when we're referencing parody stuff like Drawn Together, which is pretty bad, and we already have one image censored as it is because of the violence. -- Signed by James (talk) 07:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)-- Signed by James (talk) 07:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Suggestions about creating page startups for actors and people
Hi there MisterJames,

I've decided that i would create page startups for actors and people because it's starting to get hard and stressful for me.

If anybody wants to add actors and people's roles for characters and additional voices, feel free to do so.

That would be much appreciated IMO. --Michael (talk) 11:40, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't blame you and I'm happy for you to do that. -- Signed by James (talk) 13:19, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

About SpaceHunterM
Hello again MisterJames,

So what do you think of SpaceHunterM?

Here's the link to his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/SpaceHunterM

His YouTube channel contains clips of Scooby-Doo which is of instrumental versions of the Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! season 2 chase songs taken from foreign dubs, clips of episodes without laugh tracks taken from various sources and others, Josie and the Pussycats, The Flintstones, Yogi Bear, Speed Racer, Spiderman, The Simpsons and Thomas the Tank Engine.

Thoughts? --Michael (talk) 13:13, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * SpaceHunterM is female (well, trans female, but female none the less). I think its a cool channel, though. -- Signed by James (talk) 13:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Cartoon Network Presents Issues 1-24 page startups
Hello there MisterJames,

I've just created page startups for Cartoon Network Presents Issues 1-24, so if either you or anybody on the Hanna-Barbera Wiki wants to plan on making additions to these pages including characters, objects, vehicles, animation and color errors and others, feel free to do so.

It just took me two days to do these anyway.

Here are the links:

https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=100181

https://readfullcomic.com/category/cartoon-network-presents/

Hope these might help.

I've also created page startups for Hanna-Barbera Presents Issue 2 and Hanna-Barbera's TV Stars Issue 1 as well. --Michael (talk) 11:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You're a star. Have you also been to Grand Comics Database? -- Signed by James (talk) 14:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Not yet MisterJames, but i'm starting to now, here's the link: https://www.comics.org/ --Michael (talk) 14:18, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Laverne & Shirley
Hi there MisterJames,

Are you planning to create a page for Laverne & Shirley and all the remaining episodes of this said series? --Michael (talk) 10:50, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm in the middle of it as we speak. -- Signed by James (talk) 11:29, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hanna-Barbera DVD and Blu-ray comparsions on dvdcompare.net
Hi there James,

Have you looked at the Rewind website? Here's the link: https://www.dvdcompare.net/

If you type in any Hanna-Barbera shows such as Scooby-Doo, Flintstones, Wacky Races, etc., then this should help.

There possibly could be differences between Region 1, Region 2 and Region 4 DVD discs and Blu-rays of Hanna-Barbera shows.

Thanks in advance. --Michael (talk) 17:58, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * They don't have Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!, which would've been nice. -- Signed by James (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Tom and Jerry on VHS, Laserdisc, DVD and Blu-ray
Hi James. I have a question for you.

Are there any UK, American, Japanese and International VHS, Laserdisc, DVD and Blu-ray releases of Tom and Jerry released in these countries and do you have them?

Just a suggestion IMO.

There's also the Tom and Jerry Classic Collection DVD releases that were released in Europe (including the UK as well). --Michael (talk) 15:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Question for MisterJames
Hi James, i have a question for you:

Have you got any plans to order Hanna-Barbera books by Egmont from either Amazon.co.uk or Amazon.com which include The Hanna-Barbera Guide to Life: Cool Tips for Top Cats, How to Be Dastardly by Dick Dastardly, The Wacky Races Handbook and Penelope Pitstop's Guide to Life in the Fast Lane?

The respective books feature new promo artwork of Penelope Pitstop admiring herself in the mirror and being tied up from The Wacky Races Handbook, Pitstop wearing her fur coat, talking on the phone and applying makeup while baking pie without her helmet on and one of her wearing her swimsuit with her sun lotion bottle in her hand on the back cover from the Penelope Pitstop's Guide to Life in the Fast Lane Book and possibly more promo artwork of Hanna-Barbera characters.

Here are the links:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Official-Guide-Penelope-Pitstop-Barbera/dp/1405252618

https://www.amazon.com/Penelope-Pitstops-Guide-Life-Lane/dp/1405252618

This should help. --Michael (talk) 19:15, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've seen them. I wish I could keep up on top of everything, that's why you're here to help out. -- Signed by James (talk) 19:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)